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I know Stephen will never say whether he favors a pairing over another (even though he's not very subtle, like, we all know. Lol) but he did sort of alienate a little bit when he said O/L and O/S won't "ever be together-together again." Do you think he was just emphasizing that it really is Felicity right now? Because the fact that he refuses to go on record about who he wants to be together, I took it as a fact that he talked with the writers over rather than opinion. (:
Fair point Anon. That interview shocked me and I am not easily shocked when actors talk about their TV shows. Normally they have approved “talking points” and they churn those bad boys out interview after interview. That’s why Comic Con was so AMAZING! And shocking. The talking points. I know the entire Olicity fandom was asking, “Did that actually happen?”
On closer examination, you are 100% right. In the specific interview you are referencing, Stephen’s not giving his opinion. He’s selling the show. I am totally gleeful right now because I use to be in marketing. So we are combining my two favorite things: marketing and TV.
Feel free to check out the interview here starts at 2:15. I transcribed it.
Q: (unintelligible)… this disastrous date with Felicity. So obviously that romance is going to be on hiatus or totally kaput. Is there gonna be other ladies coming into Oliver’s life this season?
S: There’s one lady in Oliver’s life.
Q: Just one?
S: Just one.
Q: (unintelligible)…counted all the women on screen that he has…
Stephen smiles shakes his head no then repeats: No. There’s one woman in Oliver’s life this year.
Q: Is that his sister?
S: No. It’s Felicity.
Q: It just seems like he’s got of course Sara and Laurel still out there and they don’t seem to have romance interests-
S: (interrupting) No, th..the ship has sailed on those romances. I don’t think that will ever see Oliver and Sara or Oliver and Laurel together again. I mean, they’ll be together, but just not together together. They’ll be teammates, but uhh..no we discover in the pilot the way Oliver feels about Felicity, so because of that, if we just introduce random love interests, it would kind of undersell what we do in the premiere.
First of all, the entire Olicity fandom needs to give that interviewer a standing ovation. Because damn she was persistent.
The way she phrased the questions also gave Stephen a very small, but specific window of opportunity. Our Captain took it.
The original question included the phrase this season. The interviewer asks if Oliver will have any other love interests other than Felicity. Stephen’s answer was no. But she kept going at him like a dog with a freaking bone. So much so Stephen had to say THREE TIMES there’s only one woman in Oliver’s life. She thinks Stephen’s talking about THEA. Stephen corrects her again. He means Felicity.
Then the money shot. She pushes back and specifically asks about Sara and Laurel. The way the last question is phrased is more expansive than the first. Since the first question included this season, as the conversation progressed all the other questions were under same caveat. However, when the interviewer asks about Sara and Laurel she says, “still out there”. Still out there is more expansive than the specific “any other ladies COMING IN to Oliver’s life this season?" Sara and Laurel are already in Oliver’s life. They don’t need to come in. The first question was about new love interests. The last question was about existing love interests. Still out there connotes that Sara and Laurel are still out there as possibilities. They will always be out there as possibilities. Since the interviewer began questioning under the guise of “this season” she was then able to very slyly slip in a more broad question, beyond this season. An endgame question.
Furthermore, the interviewer was’t asking Stephen his opinion. She was asking Stephen what’s happening on the show. Stephen could answer because it wasn’t his personal opinion. He’s simply stating what’s happening on the show. Since it was a vaguely worded endgame question, Stephen could answer it more definitively. The vagueness of the question left room for interpretation so Stephen didn’t have to do it himself. The Who’s To Say? interview was the opposite. That was a direct “long game” question so Stephen had to deflect. He had to be vague because the question wasn’t. See the difference?
I was in Marketing. You know what the number one rule of Marketing is? Know. Your. Product. Know what you are selling. Why should consumers buy this product? What are your talking points? What’s your pitch?
That’s all Comic Con is. One BIG sales pitch. We get so caught up in the artistry of TV we forget it’s a product like any other commodity. It’s no different than buying a car. Writers, producers and actors are trying to convince you to watch their show. They are selling the show. Why? Because of advertisers. Advertisers pay networks and pay shows for ad time. More viewers means more advertisers. It’s supply and demand. The higher the demand for the show, the more advertisers will want to purchase an ad spot. More viewers means the networks/shows can charge the advertisers higher prices for an ad buy.
Bottom line? Money. The cast of Arrow, it’s writers and producers all have talking points for S3. They all have their “pitch” to get us to watch the show. How do we know this? Because they sell the same points over and over and over again in every interview. Those are the agreed upon “spoilers” or “talking points” or “pitch” (however you want to phrase it) that the writers and network have agreed on to entice viewership.
What were the talking points we heard over and over again? Oliver loves Felicity. A life beyond The Arrow. How can Oliver be Oliver Queen and The Arrow? Identity. One woman. One woman. One woman.
There is a shift coming in Arrow S3. Arrow is a hero’s journey. Like I said before, in every hero’s story there’s one person the hero loves. In every hero story, the writers choose a lane. The Arrow writers and Stephen Amell are saying Arrow is telling that part of the hero’s tale THIS SEASON. That’s why it was a talking point. Oliver is choosing one woman to love and that woman is Felicity.
So what makes the interviewers question so brilliant? Because of the words still out there. Still out there includes this season of course, but beyond S3 as well. Sara and Laurel will always be OUT THERE. Stephen was explaining whatever Oliver tells Felicity in the premier is a game changer. If the writers give Oliver random love interests (new and old) it under sells what Oliver tells Felicity in the premiere. It under sells the STORY the writers are now telling in Arrow. Which is Oliver has committed to being a hero and he’s committed to loving one woman. Now how does he reconcile those two things? This ties into the Identity theme. Stephen was explaining the premiere is a statement of that choice. He tells Felicity the truth. He tells Felicity he loves her. Oliver won’t go back on that. Why? If Oliver has continual back & forth love interests it marginalizes the moment he has with Felicity and the sincerity of his love.
Now, the Lauriver ship is holding on tightly to two phrases: This season and I don’t think. I’ve already explained how the interviewer slyly side stepped the first phrase. Lauriver’s argument is that when Stephen says I don’t think he’s simply stating an opinion.
Except Stephen Amell doesn’t give his opinion. Not about relationship preference. He refuses to choose. In fact the night before, Stephen was asked his personal opinion about Laurel and Felicity. Which one did Stephen think Oliver should end up with? He refused to answer because it was his personal opinion.
The very next day was the media blitz. Oliver & Felicity. All. Day. Long. One huge statement after the next. From writers and Stephen Amell. Why? Because those were the talking points. That was the pitch. They weren’t talking about opinion. They were talking about what was happening on the show and why we should watch. Why we should buy Arrow next year. So anything Stephen was saying at that media blitz was approved by the network, creators and writers. It had to be. He was selling the show.
Furthermore, sometimes I don’t think is word filler. Same as when people say ummm, or uhhh, or like. Word filler is the brain trying to connect trains of thought. It doesn’t necessarily mean the person is stating their opinion.
Also, I don’t think wasn’t his only statement. Right before that Stephen says definitively the ship has sailed. Boom. No caveats. No filler.
To play devil’s advocate, let’s just agree with Lauriver and say Stephen was just giving his opinion. Do you know why I put more weight on Stephen Amell’s words than any other actor or actress on The CW right now? Stephen Amell is the face of DC television. Right now, DC has five properties launching because of the success of Arrow. Stephen is a very large part of that. The way he sells the show is a very large part of that success as well. So, even if it is his opinion, it carries more weight than say Ian Somerholder or Paul Wesley or Sarah Michelle Gellar or Katie Cassidy. Stephen Amell is not only selling Arrow, he’s selling the DC brand. There’s a lot of money at stake and he’s careful. So when he makes a statement like that, I believe it’s because that’s the way the show is really going.
Does it alienate Lauriver fans? Sure. Absolutely. However, this was always going to happen. One of the two fandoms was always going to be alienated. It was just a matter of when. Why? Because Arrow isn’t The Vampire Diaries. The love triangle won’t last forever and it shouldn’t. It’s a hero’s tale and every hero’s tale picks a lane. Furthermore, the idea that Arrow is the first CW show to end a love triangle early on is ludicrous. Reign anyone? Reign ended the love triangle half way into it’s first season. They did it and they did it successfully. Not all TV shows on the CW need a love triangle. Arrow will survive because it’s not predicated on a triangle like The Vampire Diaries. Neither was Reign. While Arrow constantly fights comic book canon Reign has to battle ACTUAL FUCKING HISTORY.
In fact, a love triangle was never Arrow’s intent. It’s original intent was ALWAYS one love - Laurel. It just didn’t work. It didn’t resonate with the larger audience. So the love triangle was a happy accident because Felicity was a happy accident. By choosing one love, Felicity, Arrow is returning to the story they always wanted to tell. They just changed the character they are telling it with.
Comic Con is about increasing viewership. Selling the show. Somewhere along the line there was a calculated business decision that going with Oliver & Felicity will result in maintaining or increasing viewership more than Oliver & Laurel.
However, if love triangles is what you want then fine. The Arrow writers ended one with Oliver making a choice about who he really loves in S2 finale (Felicity). But they are teeing up another one - between Oliver, Felicity and Ray Palmer. So there’s your love triangle. Felicity will have to decide the way Oliver decided.
So bottom line, why was Stephen able to say the ship has sailed on Laurel and Sara? Because it wasn’t his opinion. It what’s happening on the show. He could say it because Olicity is part of the marketing strategy.
Finally, if what Stephen said about the ship sailing on Laurel/Oliver and Sara/Oliver wasn’t true or in fact just his opinion and the writers were concerned about alienating the fan base…Stephen Amell would have walked it back by now. He would have rephrased the statement. He hasn’t. There’s a big difference between alienating a fan base because of the direction of the show versus stating an opinion. Stephen Amell’s standing by it because it’s the truth - not his opinion. It’s just what’s happening on Arrow.
I will use any opportunity to use a Walter White gif. Any.
Did I not share this the other day? I thought I shared it. I meant to! Because it’s brilliant and articulate and I always love when people with experience in the business of products and marketing weigh in on things. Always brings a new POV to the table.
This is perfection. Because yes, first and foremost TV is a business and when gold like EBR drops into your lap you do not squander it and when a once in a decade chemistry occurs on screen like it did with SA and EBR you don’t ignore it. And i know the response above doesn’t really directly get into that, but that is really the catalyst for the shift in the show. So yes, they know what they’re doing. And SA absolutely knew what he was and wasn’t supposed to say. If you need any more proof that this is actually happening read the above.
THIS BEAUTIFUL WOMAN
-Was RAPED along her best friend while her husband was tied up and forced to watch.
-Was diagnosed with uterine CANCER
-Had to get a DIVORCE because her husband was gay
What did she do about it all?
-Create a television show with her ex based on their divorce and friendship that still holds strong.
-Laughs just as hard today as she has in the past.
-Fights for the rights of the gay and lesbian community
-Works for the U.S. State department for the Public Diplomacy Envoy for Women’s Health Issues.
-Launched the ‘Cancer Shmancer’ movement, a non-profit organization dedicated to ensuring that all women’s cancers be diagnosed while in Stage 1, the most curable stage.
-Has won the following awards: Jon Wayne’s Institute’s Woman of Achievement award, Gilda Award, City of Hope Wom of the Year award, Hebrew University Humanitarian award, Albert Einstien’s College of Medicine’s Spirit of Achievement Award, City of Hope’s Spirit of Life Award, and the ”My Aid Award” for her achievements in support of cancer prevention and rehabilitation.
-She has been cancer free for 12 years.
Now tell me she is not an AMAZING Woman.
When people say they “Hate her” because of her voice, I just want to punch them straight in their faces.
This is Fran Drescher, and she is one HELL Of a strong woman.
Thank you for your patience and understanding while this story was on hiatus.
If you need a refresher, the masterlist can be found here.
Hope you enjoy the new chapter. I’d love to know what you think!
or behind the cut:
I think I was as nervous as Oliver. I know I shed tears like Felicity. Baby Queen and his/her parkouring in the womb. Why am I not surprised? Terrific stuff! Worth the wait.
Like it never really hit me how much Emily completely turned the show around. Not even like her character, but HER. Ugh god I love her
Yeah. She’s gold. And they saw that right away. And they know that people like her don’t fall into your lap everyday. So when they do you grab on to them and you don’t let go. Then couple that with the once a decade chemistry she and SA have and…BOOM we’ve got a season 3 that is shaping up to be better than I could have ever imagined it to be.
OLIVER QUEEN is going to be celibate this season because he’s head over heels in love with his brainy tech girl.
That’s huge. Not only because it fulfills my ‘smart girl gets the hero’ need, but because I think it supports my own personal theory all of last season that he was much farther along than she was as far as what he felt for her. So to have the hero be the pursuer instead of the one being pursued…come on, how often does that happen. And even though he’ll decide in 3x01 that they can’t be together. The ENTIRE SEASON is his journey to figure out his identity directly related to whether he can be with Felicity or not. So this entire season is olicity.
And you know how it’s going to end because they are only moving forward with him. If he were to decide he can’t have both worlds then he’s choosing the hood over the man. And if he does that he’s reverting back to the vigilante of season 1. They’ve made it abundantly clear they are moving forward to him being Green Arrow.
So that means end game.
Arrow basically just turned into the show where you know the two leads are going to get together they just haven’t yet.
I would go as far to say she saved the show. It didn’t really hit it’s stride until she joined the team. And she brought something that was missing to the show…making Oliver a character you wanted to root for. She made Oliver’s character likeable and brought out that human side of him.
She is the heart of the show. I know people don’t always like that being said but if you look at the show before her and after her…it’s the truth.
And this is endgame. You don’t spend a whole season for them to find each other and figure out they can be together and have it be a significant story in a hero’s arc unless they are the story to tell.
And they are. Olicity is this show’s love story.
I really admire Stephen Amell bc he had the courage to go to the writers’ room and telling them that he was tired to see Oliver banging all the women in the show, he wants to have just one woman, a big epic love, showing that Oliver is not just a playboy but he’s growing as a man not just as an hero!KUDOS to him!
There’s going to be at least one more of these just based off the trailer alone. It’s why you guys keep me around though, right?
Angst ahead. Although I promise you an alternate ‘what if’ fluffy/sexy thing later to make amends.
My take on this whole explosion thing is that it’s not a random act. This has to be something where Felicity is targeted BECAUSE she’s with Oliver. And it has to be by someone who can potentially know he’s also the Arrow. That’s the only way I can see Oliver going back to his ‘because of the life that I lead’ martyr mindset.
So, my highest apologies for the feels. But we know it’s going to be an angsty ride this season. And I think we also know it’s going to be worth it in the end.
or behind the cut:
You and hopedreamlovepray have been strangely prophetic in your writings so I’m thinking this will be how things go down in the ep. And that makes me sad because they were so happy and flirty and it ends in blood and smoke.
A/N: Hey everyone! Here is the promised fluff! With the previews we got this weekend of Oliver and Felicity’s date, I couldn’t help but write the little scene that got stuck in my head of when he goes to pick her up. Not sure if we’ll actually get it in the show, but I HOPE SO!
As always, I LOVE to hear what you think! Please let me know!
(Title inspiration from windchill’s amazing video which I highly recommend!)
Link to AO3: HERE
she is the sunlight - oliver/felicity - pg (3x01 speculation drabble)
He couldn’t breathe from the moment he laid eyes on her.
The first thing he’d seen when she’d opened the door was the soft yet hesitant smile on her lips, blue eyes sparkling with unhidden emotions. Her hair fell in golden waves over her shoulders, some of her natural curl showing. His fingers immediately itched to reach out and run through it, knowing from previous experience it would be silky smooth against his skin.
Perma-grin on my face. This was so sweet and hopeful and fluffy. Just made me so happy for these characters , for the journey they are on towards Happily Ever After.
There’s only one lady in Oliver’s life. Just one. It’s Felicity. The ship has sailed on those [Sara and Laurel] romances. I don’t think we’ll ever see Oliver and Sara and Oliver and Laurel together again. I mean, they’ll be together but not together. They’ll be teammates, but no, we discover in the pilot the way Oliver feels about Felicity.
Stephen Amell at the San Diego Comic Con (via annieodair)